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hey guys welcome back to the disclosure

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team youtube channel

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so this is a pre-recorded interview with

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dr lynn kitai um author of the phoenix

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lights witness to the phoenix lies

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producer of the documentary on the

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phoenix lights and she has worked

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tirelessly for many many years i'm

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bringing this

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particular case forward to the public

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and she's done fantastic work so

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i hope you enjoy it one thing i will

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just preface is that there were some

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audio issues

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um which we sort of got around by me

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basically not talking at all uh dr kitai

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goes through a presentation you'll see

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me nodding a lot and things it's because

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there was feedback coming from her end

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which was just unfortunate it happens

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sometimes so

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we've kept we kept my talking to a

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minimum so there was no feedback coming

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through and and it's a good thing

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because all we want to do is listen to

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the to the guests on these interviews so

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guys thank you so much for being here

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and

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yeah enjoy

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hello and welcome back to the disclosure

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team channel i am here and i'm honored

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to be speaking to dr lynn kitai today

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about one of my favorite all-time cases

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in the ufo subject and that is the

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phoenix lights from 1997.

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welcome dr kitai thank you for joining

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me it's a pleasure to be here and and

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i'm thrilled to be able to share

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the uh the rest of the phoenix lights

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inside story because there is so much

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miss and disinformation out there

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one of the main reasons i came forward

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after seven years of anonymity um

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after seeing two years prior to the mass

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sighting which we'll get into a very

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close sighting that i happen to get 35

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millimeter photographs of in fact i'm

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the only person with that we know of uh

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that has 35 millimeter

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uh pictures of these anomalous aerial

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phenomena and the mass sighting which

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we'll talk about

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in detail has actually become

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the most witnessed most documented and

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most important mass anomalous aerial

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sighting in modern times if not all of

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times and um and i'm thrilled to be here

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today to to uh

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tell the the the rest of the story

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because there's so much miss and

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disinformation out there

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in fact

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i you know going back i don't know if

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you have a question or if you want to

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share

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uh how i came to

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be here um but uh

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my background actually which is ironic

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is uh not only a medical doctor and i've

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tried to be as scientific as i can with

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the data

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as well as uh as a physician

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to let people know that they're not

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alone most anomalies can be explained

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only a small percentage cannot but just

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because we don't have the technology yet

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to definitively define what these things

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are it doesn't mean they're not real we

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may just be looking on the am dial for

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an fm frequency and certainly as an

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experiencer as you will hear um i knew

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how that felt uh even again even though

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most anomalies can be explained when

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someone has a paranormal experience it's

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real to them

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and if you don't share it and that was

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another reason i came forward to say

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well i'm here if you want to share

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whether it's on the phoenix sites

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network website which is packed with

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information by the way if people go

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there while we're talking they can um

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some of the data that is there is packed

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with information the 35 millimeter

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photographs the unique collection of

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photographs that i've collected prior to

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the mass sighting of march 13 1997 as

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well as uh we'll talk about the

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different crafts that people saw as well

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as the news reports and um it's very

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cathartic when people share so

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whether it's on facebook we have the

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phoenix lights network page there

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as well as phoenix lights group

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me right on top just sharing with one

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on the reality of vital health issues i

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thought it was important no one was

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doing it at the time to let the public

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know just short little bites of uh how

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to prevent a heart attack or um what to

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do if you have a burn etc which grew

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into a uh syndication that was actually

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health tips here for nbc and then usa

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cable and started a company in 85 to

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produce video and workflow curriculums

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uh for the classroom won all kinds of

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awards discovery education was

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distributed for decades and here this

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falls into my lap

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without any interest or knowledge in the

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chosen this topic um it actually chose

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two years before the mass sighting well

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first uh first i want to let the

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audience know and this is just a little

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aside for you vinnie which is kind of

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school was in professional musical

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theater i toured with gordon mcrae in

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dolls and understudied barbara eden and

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the sound of music and a whole host of

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others but um one of the things that's

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coincidental and i don't believe in

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coincidence anymore is the ten years

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the the whole thing with the mass either

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learning this little tidbit

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arizona the coen brother hit movie

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seen it it's a black comedy where holly

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hunter and um

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microphone in my husband's face and says

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and my husband says oh please son please

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you'll lose all hope which is totally

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there is not another mention of ufos in

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the entire film

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i don't have to do this

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come forward um because the data was

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seven years of anonymity after the mass

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sighting but the view from our home so

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the estrella mountain range

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the way that's significant because these

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anomalous aerial phenomena once i

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aerial phenomena keep popping up right

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coincidence six months before the mass

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the one school that they have at the

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gila gila he'll have been

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and after the mass sighting and i helped

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out the principal they don't talk to

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outsiders uh they don't make a a

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practice of that but i i helped him out

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and i called the principal because and

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asked him

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did anybody happen to see strange lights

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on march 13th because these lights keep

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popping up right where south mountain

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and the australia is intersect and he

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started to giggle and i said is that

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funny and he said are you kidding you've

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been looking up at them for centuries we

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call them sky people light beings i had

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no idea i had never heard of that in

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fact i was the first i had heard of the

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fact that indigenous cultures so

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fascinating worldwide

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are very open to other intelligences

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coming to visit us in fact the hopi and

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others right here in arizona have

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protocols to invite these intelligences

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in

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and some of them believe that these orbs

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that we're going to be talking about

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are actually spirit world or ancestors

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coming to give them guidance and

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knowledge

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and comfort and inspiration and i have

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to admit vinnie i've been inspired to do

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this

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as i go on i get more and more

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passionate but um the fact is that

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they are very open to these there's no

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fear there's there's actually joy

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um with these phenomena which we're

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going to get to with the phoenix lights

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because it's very similar how people

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1995.

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another little coincidence you want to

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call it that the eve of my birthday so

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it was a kind of a really cool gift

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this is what it all started for me again

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my husband's also a physician healthy

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skeptic got to see it to believe it and

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you have to be open to anyone coming

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through the door as a as a physician um

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but here i am in a room adjacent to our

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bedroom and as you saw with the

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topography one wall of the bedroom is a

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window

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so whatever pops up out there whether

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it's um uh

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hagoobs you know these dust storms that

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come across or a fire or the lights i

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mean we're very familiar with car lights

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and street lights and helens and

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planes and so forth because we're

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looking south towards sky harbor

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international airport anyway i'm in the

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bath in a room adjacent to the bedroom

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my husband's standing at this window

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talking to my mother-in-law who can't

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call to wish me a happy birthday from

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philadelphia uh and suddenly and he was

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on several state and

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um hospital medical boards nothing ever

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ruffled his feathers and suddenly he

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sounded alarmed he says oh my god what

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the hell does that get over here quick i

352
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grab a towel go running rigging wet to

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the window and here a little below is

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because we're really high on the

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mountain in paradise valley

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we're kind of nestled in the mountain

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range it is a no-fly zone so there is no

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way this was military and we're gated as

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well

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because the first thing i see are these

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three amber orbs in a pyramid formation

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one on top and too closely aligned

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underneath a little below us and it's

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very treacherous desert landscape and

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it's gated and i looked underneath and

366
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it was just black because i thought

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maybe somebody was creating it although

368
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it was very dangerous to be there

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total blackness and

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my first thought was to run downstairs

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to get my video camera because i collect

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you know that i do video workout

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curriculums but it was downstairs and

374
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you'll hear from many people who have

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had a paranormal experience

376
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similar to these you don't want to move

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because you don't know how long it's

378
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going to last so i try to take

379
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everything in mentally the size the

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shape the color they were about three to

381
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six feet each depending on how close

382
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they were

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which is really interesting now that the

384
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navy nimitz pilots have come forward

385
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just in the last couple years to

386
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describe what they've seen as tic tac

387
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shape or

388
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login shape

389
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i don't know if it's the same phenomena

390
00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:34,000
but nonetheless they were oval shaped

391
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they were a uniform amber color

392
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throughout very

393
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soothing very mesmerizing i noticed

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every other light out there glared

395
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street lights car lights house lights

396
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whatever these did not and i called them

397
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an orb

398
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because the light did not extend outside

399
00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:53,199
the edge it was self-contained as you

400
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can see with the car it's not

401
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self-contained it reflects onto the

402
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ground and most other lights reflect out

403
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:02,399
okay

404
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get a picture of this no one's going to

405
00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:07,680
believe it so i go running to the closet

406
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i collect sunsets but if you go on the

407
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:11,920
photo page at the phoenix lights network

408
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website you'll see at the bottom two

409
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sunsets with actually

410
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huge cylindrical cigar shaped maybe

411
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motherships i don't know we've had them

412
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analyzed and they're definitely

413
00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:24,079
anomalous but at any rate i collect

414
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sunsets so i go to in the closet to grab

415
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my cheap canon ensematic 35 millimeter

416
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camera my husband calls me back he says

417
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get over here quick one of them is

418
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disappearing

419
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and as we both watched in utter awe and

420
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wonder

421
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the top orb

422
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without budging from the two underneath

423
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and i really took note of this the only

424
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we have two sons and the only shows and

425
00:15:51,749 --> 00:15:49,519
movies we ever saw are e.t close

426
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encounters are in their 40s now and the

427
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original

428
00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:55,680
uh star trek series so immediately i

429
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:01,749
because it waivers these did not

430
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:04,560
but it felt like it was cloaking it is

431
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:06,399
so difficult to

432
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:09,199
describe in logical terms it started to

433
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:11,920
the top work started to shrink

434
00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:13,680
mechanically as if there was an

435
00:16:19,110 --> 00:16:16,560
intelligence behind it slowly and slowly

436
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:19,120
like like a dimmer switch on those until

437
00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:22,399
it was a p size and then disappeared but

438
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:24,560
it still felt like it was there

439
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:25,759
where did it go

440
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i get out on the balcony immediately

441
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:30,639
notice an eerie silence as if time had

442
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:32,800
stopped it was just bizarre and took a

443
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:34,720
quick picture of the two lower orbs

444
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:41,189
there you go okay if you look on the

445
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:44,480
bottom left that's the two lower orbs

446
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:45,519
okay

447
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:46,480
and

448
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i did not admit this

449
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:51,759
to assault for two years so after the

450
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,160
mass sighting but as intently as i was

451
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:56,880
watching these two lower orbs it felt

452
00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:59,120
like something was watching me

453
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:01,360
and going through my mind at that exact

454
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:03,839
moment i thought who are you what are

455
00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:05,439
you do you know that i'm here i'd love

456
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:06,720
to meet you

457
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:09,039
and the next thing i remember the left

458
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:11,520
bottom orb started to shrink just like

459
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:13,679
the top one did and i something told me

460
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:14,880
to take a picture i immediately took a

461
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:18,799
picture of that that's the next picture

462
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:21,439
and you can see that these orbs not only

463
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:25,600
moved but miraculously i caught one or

464
00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:27,199
half disappeared

465
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:29,200
while it was shrinking and one's still

466
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:31,200
there but i didn't even know who to show

467
00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:32,080
it to

468
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,080
i knew nothing about the topic and no

469
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:36,240
one who was but

470
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:37,280
i'm gonna

471
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:39,120
skip ahead a little bit before we get to

472
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:41,200
the mass sighting

473
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:43,760
three years later a year after the mass

474
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:44,960
sighting

475
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,360
anybody has uh amazon

476
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:51,360
uh on amazon prime we have our

477
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:53,120
award-winning documentary the phoenix

478
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:54,799
sites beyond top secret it keeps

479
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:57,039
evolving so there's several different

480
00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:59,760
versions there but that's the latest one

481
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:01,280
and um

482
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:03,200
if you take a look at that one in there

483
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:05,360
we actually have footage

484
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:08,880
of this 1998

485
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:10,240
amazing

486
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:12,640
sighting that i had alerted the other

487
00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:14,799
people too because the lights had not

488
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:15,600
come

489
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:17,600
back for a whole year

490
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:20,960
and january of 1998

491
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:23,360
through a fog which is very rare in

492
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,240
phoenix i have to tell you i saw two

493
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:28,799
muted you know wars and i thought whoa

494
00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:31,280
is that the phoenix like and i already

495
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:32,799
met with the university of arizona they

496
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:34,320
said i'd better get a better camera and

497
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:36,000
i ran out the next morning and got a

498
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,320
high high-end phentex camera with the

499
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tele lens and a star filter and all that

500
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:42,880
the next night they came back

501
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:44,880
and i got amazing pictures and i

502
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,880
happened to have a meeting at village

503
00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:48,559
labs which was a clearinghouse here

504
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:51,520
locally big computer lab and told them

505
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to get people on the ready they might

506
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:55,200
come back a third night which they did

507
00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:56,400
and we had

508
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,960
coincidentally uh people from the mass

509
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:00,720
sighting who had gotten video north

510
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,520
south east and west on the ready and we

511
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:05,200
all caught a

512
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:08,960
40-mile wide 20-minute array of straight

513
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:10,880
lines and mirror images and the final

514
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:13,919
thing with a giant pyramid triangle

515
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,960
i mean it was just amazing and we got it

516
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:18,559
from four different

517
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:20,799
locations which was different than the

518
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,480
mass sighting and i'll get back to that

519
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,640
because people took video but different

520
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:26,480
times and different formations this was

521
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:29,039
the same information at the same time

522
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:31,039
and i have been told to contact navy

523
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:34,080
optical physicist dr bruce mcavee

524
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:36,840
who is very well respected in the

525
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,760
field and i finally did this is three

526
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:41,919
years after the mass sighting and i sent

527
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:44,720
him the video from the four of us and as

528
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:47,200
an afterthought i sent that first and

529
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:48,480
last picture

530
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:50,559
and to ask him what does he think those

531
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:52,880
closed orbs are now if we can go back to

532
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:55,600
the first picture

533
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,320
okay if you notice and he calls me two

534
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:00,400
weeks later and he says you told me that

535
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:02,080
closed sighting was only a couple

536
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:03,679
minutes i said right he said are you

537
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,559
sure

538
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,320
i said that's what i remember he said

539
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,919
ask your husband

540
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,919
interestingly he was inside i was

541
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,600
outside taking the pictures

542
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,760
he wouldn't talk about it he would get

543
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,440
agitated when i brought it didn't make

544
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,280
sense because to me it was wondrous and

545
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,280
awesome and amazing

546
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:21,440
he would not talk about it

547
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,640
everybody comes from a different

548
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:24,000
background from a different upbringing

549
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,760
from a different belief system some

550
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:27,840
people can't deal with this topic some

551
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,159
people don't want to and that's okay

552
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:32,559
everyone in their own time

553
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:35,039
but he said to me you have to confirm

554
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,960
that you both saw the same thing so i

555
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:38,159
sat him down i said look we don't have

556
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,080
to talk about it but tell me how long do

557
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,799
you think that 95 sighting was he says i

558
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:44,960
don't know two three four minutes

559
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,919
long i said okay i go back to dr mcafee

560
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,679
says that's impossible i said what do

561
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,520
you mean

562
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:52,960
he says first of all and he was the

563
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,200
first one to notice it if you see at the

564
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,360
top of the picture there's an arrow at

565
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:59,280
four lights there

566
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,559
okay

567
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,720
that's the same exact

568
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,240
anomaly

569
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:06,880
in the same exact location

570
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:09,200
that i would also capture

571
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,880
two months before the mass sighting that

572
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:12,960
we'll get to and during the mass

573
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,720
sighting so it was there in 95. there

574
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:18,080
were also

575
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,520
during the mass sighting people that

576
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:21,679
describe these orbs detaching from the

577
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,200
main object going out into the

578
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:25,520
environment and then redocking with it

579
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,640
later is that what happened in 95

580
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,480
i'm here to say i'm not here to convince

581
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,000
anybody of anything i'm just sharing the

582
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,720
data the data speaks for itself you

583
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:37,120
decide okay but meanwhile there it is

584
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:40,240
this is 35 million it's in the negative

585
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:43,600
cannot be explained or denied what's

586
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:46,880
interesting in the next one

587
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,600
you also notice now there are two as the

588
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,159
orbs are disappearing close to us

589
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:55,360
so are the orbs in the background

590
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:56,720
but he said that's not the most

591
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:59,360
important thing go back to the first one

592
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,240
he's pleased thank you vinnie he says

593
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,960
the most poignant thing to him

594
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:06,480
was that he noticed and i would have

595
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,280
never noticed that in a zillion years

596
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,919
that there were many lights groups of

597
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:14,159
lights not just individual lights on in

598
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:15,760
the first picture

599
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,559
that are off in the last picture he says

600
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,400
that doesn't happen

601
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:22,159
in just a couple minutes he says i want

602
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,679
you to do an experiment he was very

603
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,000
meticulous with his analysis in fact his

604
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,880
21-page report is on the phoenix lights

605
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,880
network website for anybody that wants

606
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:32,880
to take a peek and i also have some in

607
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,280
the book but he says to me i want you to

608
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:37,600
stand out on the balcony approximately

609
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,919
the same place you were standing in 95

610
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:43,600
and one night take a picture of the

611
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,640
skyline for an every hour the next night

612
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,080
every half hour i actually did another

613
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,559
night every 15 minutes to see when these

614
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,960
lights start going out now i usually

615
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,559
take a bath when we're home between

616
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,480
seven and eight in the evening so let's

617
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,559
be conservative and say starting point

618
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,320
is eight o'clock

619
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,080
the lights started going out at nine

620
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:04,880
o'clock the last picture is indicative

621
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,679
of 10 30 11 o'clock

622
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:09,520
and he says to me

623
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:12,559
can i present this case at the upcoming

624
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,669
international symposium in washington dc

625
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,559
that was coming up i said dr mcafee this

626
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,960
is your baby i would have never noticed

627
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,039
this but i was staying anonymous and i

628
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,039
mean anonymous for seven years only a

629
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:30,720
handful of people knew what i had

630
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,799
because i wanted to do my homework find

631
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,640
out what the heck was going on before i

632
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,400
would come forward right

633
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,840
and we'll get to that there was a lot of

634
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,080
ridicule and discrediting at the time

635
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,400
but at any rate i said as long as you

636
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,600
don't

637
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,440
mention who they're from i want to stay

638
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,520
anonymous and he was kind enough as were

639
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,600
a handful of other people to keep me

640
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,159
anonymous until i came forward

641
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:53,919
he presents the case that we can go to

642
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:57,520
the next slide if you would

643
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,480
and again very meticulous i mean the top

644
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,279
one are groups of lights the bottom one

645
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:05,279
are out okay

646
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,120
and he did it again by the way several

647
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:08,960
years ago for national geographic and

648
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,240
with better software um higher quality

649
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:14,240
he found even more lights that were

650
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:15,360
groups of lights that were on in the

651
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,120
first picture off the last later he

652
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,400
presented the case

653
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:20,240
as the first and as far as we know the

654
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:21,600
only

655
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,080
authenticated photographic evidence of

656
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,000
missing time

657
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,159
now it took me a long time to come

658
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:29,760
forward with this

659
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,559
actually it wasn't until uh the the

660
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,640
second edition of the book like

661
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:36,559
a dozen years later

662
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,600
um

663
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,520
because i couldn't i still can't wrap my

664
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:41,120
head around it what i told you is what i

665
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,240
remember

666
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,240
and i

667
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,120
what the reason i am sharing it now and

668
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:48,720
i shared it then

669
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,440
was because we've come a long way

670
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,279
um that quantum physics quantum

671
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,159
mechanics are now talking about 10 or 11

672
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,400
different dimensions not only

673
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,880
is our concept of time

674
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,039
linear time primitive

675
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,679
past present and future time may not be

676
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,240
that at all okay but certainly when i

677
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,240
went out on the balcony it seemed like

678
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,840
time had stopped so what the heck is

679
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:12,960
that okay

680
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,039
but also if there are other times and

681
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,039
spaces i mean string theory talks about

682
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:19,840
10 or 11 different dimensions out there

683
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,520
if there are other times and spaces

684
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:22,960
along with ours

685
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,760
then why is it so difficult to

686
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,559
surmise that there might be other

687
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,400
sentient beings

688
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,039
in those other times and spaces that we

689
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:35,919
get glimpses of if we're open to them

690
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,799
or invited and that's the first step is

691
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,120
to be open to at least listen to the

692
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,159
data and it's your choice out there

693
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,799
but the data is there now including this

694
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,520
data okay let's move forward now

695
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:51,919
didn't see anything remotely close to

696
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,960
these closed orbs in 95 and mind you

697
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:56,960
when we're in the bedroom and

698
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,919
the big

699
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,320
window that's one wall um that when

700
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,760
we're in there we get to see whatever

701
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:04,240
pops up out there and i did look okay i

702
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,120
admit i did look periodically

703
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:08,840
um nothing

704
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,200
okay until

705
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,880
two months before the mass sighting

706
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,440
january 22nd

707
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,799
97

708
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,120
i'm lying in bed and i noticed three

709
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,400
amber orbs in a row now far

710
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,600
northwest at a distance but they're huge

711
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,159
huge amber walls they're equidistant

712
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,000
from each other they're hovering for

713
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:31,679
several minutes

714
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,360
strangely similar to 95 and as i watched

715
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,600
they started to implode

716
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,520
one by one from right to left i don't

717
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,960
know if that's significant but that's

718
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,799
the way they did

719
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,480
mention it to my husband he says do i

720
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,919
still have to go to work tomorrow that

721
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,240
was his reaction okay

722
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:50,240
so the next night he was at a medical

723
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,440
board meeting

724
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,080
and i happen to be in the bedroom near

725
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:55,600
the sliding glass doors that are

726
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,640
perpendicular to that big window that i

727
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:00,559
had gone out to the balcony and i

728
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,080
noticed the same three orbs

729
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,480
in the equidistant line formation are

730
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:08,080
now in front of south mountain and i

731
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:09,279
knew they were in front of south

732
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:10,240
mountain

733
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,600
because there are blinking red lights on

734
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,760
top of the mountain to alert

735
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,600
planes coming into sky harbor which is

736
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,880
just in front of south mountain

737
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,279
and i thought okay enough i'm getting my

738
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,200
video camera so i run downstairs and it

739
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,200
was fully charged by the way i get out

740
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:29,600
to the front of the house i get about 18

741
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,559
seconds worth it goes dead

742
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,880
i go inside i plug it on

743
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,480
i go outside it's about eight o'clock

744
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,600
they're gone

745
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,600
about a half hour later my husband comes

746
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,200
up to drive and we have a very long

747
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:43,039
drive up the mountain

748
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,720
and i went outside and i said honey

749
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,240
remember i told you about the three

750
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,880
amber orbs far northwest last night in a

751
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,720
line from asian well about a half an

752
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,000
hour ago they were right in front of

753
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,399
south mountain as i'm pointing like this

754
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,799
they reappear in the same spot it was

755
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:59,039
like well i got to get a picture of this

756
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,799
and again i don't believe in coincidence

757
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:03,600
because in this instance

758
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,640
video doesn't do the unknowns justice

759
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:08,720
they're much smaller they're white they

760
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:11,440
flicker even though for the trained eye

761
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,559
the formations are very compelling

762
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,799
in 35 millimeter

763
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,559
they're in the negative okay they can't

764
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,520
be denied so i run upstairs i grab my 35

765
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,840
millimeter i get out on the balcony just

766
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,080
as i'm ready to shoot the three

767
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,200
suddenly six lights pop on equidistant

768
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:31,679
from each other massive span over a mile

769
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,559
wide

770
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,320
above the three we can go to the next

771
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,149
there you go

772
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,480
which you can see it's wavy

773
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:45,590
it was so massive

774
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,440
and not having an explanation for 95

775
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,120
it was like whoa

776
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,520
what is this a mothership or a fleet i

777
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,760
mean it was massive

778
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,320
but thank goodness i kept clicking away

779
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,720
the second picture is really significant

780
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,960
to me it's a smoking gun

781
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,279
if we can go to the next picture

782
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,480
okay what we're looking at there

783
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:10,640
if you really analyze what we're looking

784
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:11,440
at

785
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:14,240
is a v of five lights with two

786
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,159
underneath well

787
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,000
after the mass sighting

788
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:19,919
thousands of people would come forward

789
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:22,399
to say what they saw were five lights in

790
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,279
a v

791
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,360
with two trailing lights

792
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:27,200
this is two months before the mass

793
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:28,159
sighting

794
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:29,200
what's that

795
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:30,159
okay

796
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,750
as the lights on the bottom started to

797
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,000
disappear the top formation i was

798
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:41,279
catching this on you know head-on turned

799
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,640
to a v-shape as you can see right okay

800
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,039
and the last picture

801
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,919
which is also significant because if you

802
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,440
look at that picture and again these

803
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,679
have all been analyzed by military and

804
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,080
university optical physicists and

805
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,720
experts throughout the last 25 years

806
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,480
cannot be explained they are true

807
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,600
unknowns

808
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,720
and

809
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,039
if you look everyone in between is

810
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,159
smaller than the one okay closer so

811
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:10,399
we're surmising that the big ones are

812
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,000
the closer arm the in between one's legs

813
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,640
are the further away arm

814
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,640
keep that foot okay

815
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,320
didn't sleep well that night we can keep

816
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,080
it on this for a minute didn't sleep

817
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,480
well that night next morning i wake my

818
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,559
bigger look again i'm a healthy skeptic

819
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:28,960
got to be a logical explanation

820
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,760
and lat night before by the way while

821
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,520
after the lights disappeared underneath

822
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,600
i ran in and called the arizona republic

823
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:38,080
which is a big newspaper here to say get

824
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:39,200
somebody out there quick there's some

825
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,320
strange lights in front of south

826
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,480
mountain before they disappear and tell

827
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,320
me what the heck they are

828
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:46,320
by the time i finish my sentence they

829
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,440
were gone

830
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,120
so i woke up the next morning they were

831
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,909
i said did anybody happen to call last

832
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,600
night to report strange lights in front

833
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,039
of south mountain she thought off she

834
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,720
got right back on she said nope nobody

835
00:31:04,710 --> 00:30:59,679
called

836
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,720
husband and i did see something unusual

837
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,080
how can i find out what it must have

838
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:07,760
been it might have been she said well

839
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,799
sometimes luke air force base sends

840
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,399
experimental maneuvers out and they

841
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,559
don't tell the public about it

842
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,039
that sounds logical but i wanted a

843
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,720
follow-up so i called the luke air force

844
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:19,760
base

845
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,799
which is not far from phoenix and i said

846
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,880
um i try to be professional my husband

847
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,320
and i are both physicians we live

848
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,399
mountainside in paradise valley we saw

849
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,840
some strange lights in front of south

850
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,679
baton last night could you tell me what

851
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,240
they might have been and from the get-go

852
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:36,000
she had an attitude and she said well

853
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:37,120
they didn't come in from the air for

854
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,159
space and they didn't come out from here

855
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,240
so we had nothing to do with them

856
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,960
i said okay be that as it may

857
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,799
we did see something i even got pictures

858
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,559
of it i'm just trying to find out what

859
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:47,840
it was she says well you said it was

860
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,000
near the airport so maybe uh they saw

861
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,960
something there now it was a mission so

862
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,960
i called the faa

863
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,640
called the same thing to the operator

864
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,799
she was really nice she says you know

865
00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:00,000
maybe some of the air traffic

866
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,679
controllers saw something last night let

867
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,200
me check it out

868
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,120
keeps me on the phone forever finally

869
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,120
gets back on she says actually there was

870
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,720
a group of

871
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,720
air traffic controllers who did see some

872
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,640
strange lights over

873
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,799
restricted airspace

874
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,559
and there are a couple that are here

875
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,159
this morning i said oh please can i

876
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,320
speak with you one of them

877
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,840
that took forever i mean it might have

878
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,840
been five minutes but it seemed forever

879
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,399
i met the guy subsequently not only as a

880
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,159
meteorologist

881
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,399
which is significant which i'll share

882
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,519
but

883
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,760
he's a really low key guy

884
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,679
he gets on the phone he was more excited

885
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,880
than me did you see that six months and

886
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:38,240
he positions from each other and it

887
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,360
hasn't realized that actually they're

888
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,880
totally at eight o'clock i said yes

889
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,640
that's why i'm calling he says at eight

890
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,080
o'clock we looked on radar when the

891
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,440
three popped up because it was over

892
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:47,360
class b restricted airspace and he

893
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,720
confirmed that

894
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,480
there's a 30 mile radius around the

895
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,399
center of the airport anything that

896
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,480
comes into that airspace particularly a

897
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:56,960
thousand feet altitude that these were

898
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,240
must call into the tower and no one did

899
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,919
so they looked on radar didn't show up

900
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:04,320
on radar they were alarmed and then they

901
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,440
disappeared

902
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,640
at 8 30 the six popped up then they were

903
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,559
really alarmed look on radar did not

904
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,480
show up on radar they took their high

905
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,320
powers binoculars to look and in their

906
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,720
own words they saw six points of light

907
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,320
totally equidistant from each other

908
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,679
massive span

909
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:21,840
over a mile wide

910
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,120
that seemed to be attached to something

911
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:26,640
they couldn't quite see what they were

912
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:29,760
attached to or had a force field in

913
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,320
between holding them in rock solid

914
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,440
formation

915
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,120
and again he was a meteorologist and

916
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,279
said that the entire thing turned

917
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,840
against the wind which is also

918
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:41,679
significant because we hear the navy

919
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,039
nimitz pilots saying that what they saw

920
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,200
was against the wind but nonetheless

921
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:48,880
this is what he reported

922
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:51,919
and then after returned against the wind

923
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,440
in a unit it elevated slowly and moved

924
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:58,080
in synchrony as he put it behind south

925
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,519
mountain

926
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,600
so i said so what was it

927
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,600
and there was silence and then he said

928
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:05,200
beats me i said you're an air traffic

929
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:06,559
controller you're supposed to know it's

930
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:09,440
in our airspace he said the whole group

931
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:13,119
ruled out every conventional aircraft

932
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:14,560
blimps

933
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,320
chinese lanterns flares even skydivers

934
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,399
with lights okay they even thought maybe

935
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,159
that's what they were

936
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,760
every conventional

937
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,520
every possible

938
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,679
thing that it could have been

939
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,440
we stayed in contact

940
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:31,200
up and including

941
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:32,839
march 13

942
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,280
1997. which i will get to in a moment

943
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,520
in the meantime

944
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:41,919
i continued photographing these things

945
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,599
and my husband was getting a little

946
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,240
annoyed with me we'd be in a

947
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:48,399
conversation or whatever and i'd see out

948
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,520
of the corner of my eyes i don't know

949
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,599
what it was but the scientists in me

950
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,679
just i had to go out and document it on

951
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,879
film right

952
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,480
so it was getting a little ridiculous

953
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,079
and and he's saying oh it's a fire on

954
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,839
the mountain or whatever and again i

955
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,359
didn't know anyone that was involved

956
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,200
with this topic at all this is how close

957
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,520
i was vinnie a friend of a friend had a

958
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:07,760
neighbor who had a friend

959
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,400
who knew the past president of mufan

960
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,240
mutual ufo network

961
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,000
i had never heard of it

962
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,440
at the time

963
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,520
i called him up i said you know i'm

964
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,839
seeing these strange lates you have you

965
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:22,160
heard about it he had not but there were

966
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,599
other people

967
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,680
that were seeing it and documenting on a

968
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:28,480
film just like me in fact it was a fella

969
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,680
steve blonder who was not only

970
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,599
photographing them but he called mufon

971
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,160
up to his balcony the night of march

972
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,920
13th the night of the mass sighting and

973
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,320
they happened to catch an arrowhead of

974
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,560
five lights that's miraculous i mean if

975
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,560
you look at his back those lights are

976
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,240
either attached to something or have a

977
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:49,680
force field in between and his video

978
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,480
and my video which we'll get to were

979
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,560
before 10 o'clock there are a couple

980
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:56,400
videos after 10 o'clock which we'll

981
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,390
and i said i have a couple pictures i

982
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,520
have a picture that was the only one

983
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,800
that turned out at the time that i would

984
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:06,800
love someone to analyze and tell me what

985
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,680
it is

986
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:09,359
he refers me to

987
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:10,160
a

988
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,599
i knock on his door he opens the door

989
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,200
the first thing he says to me is did you

990
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:39,599
see the mass sighting last night

991
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:40,400
i said

992
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,160
what i told you about two months ago in

993
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,800
fact i actually got video of it

994
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,200
he said great because

995
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:51,520
nbc was coming to interview him in a

996
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,119
half an hour i said whoa i said i used

997
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,760
to do health reporting

998
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,720
i said

999
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:00,640
somebody i don't know if it's a hoax or

1000
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,520
military or whatever um but it's not

1001
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,760
about me it's never been about me it's

1002
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:07,920
about the data so take a copy of the

1003
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:11,119
video show it to whoever i'm out of here

1004
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,480
and by the way

1005
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,240
i called the air traffic controllers

1006
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:16,240
this morning to see if they saw the same

1007
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,599
thing in the same location they

1008
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:19,760
confirmed that it was the exact same

1009
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,160
phenomena in the exact same location and

1010
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,839
then a couple pilots called into the

1011
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,160
tower a commercial pilot

1012
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,079
on departure said what the hell are

1013
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,760
these lights over me

1014
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:33,200
and a

1015
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,640
pirate pro

1016
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:36,720
private pilot say that five times

1017
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,280
private pilot called in

1018
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,440
to report the six lights in a

1019
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,800
deformation

1020
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:45,200
didn't know who that was but nonetheless

1021
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,790
and

1022
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,280
i thought oh my gosh what the heck is

1023
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:55,359
going on and i said i'm out of here and

1024
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,720
i left

1025
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,800
that afternoon

1026
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:00,480
i was in front of my

1027
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:04,000
big screen tv with the bcr on the ready

1028
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,040
to go

1029
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,960
i didn't know if they'd cover it

1030
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,200
the first news that came on like 4 or 4

1031
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,800
30 whatever

1032
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,960
breaking news okay

1033
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,480
with my video

1034
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,359
he gave it to everybody

1035
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,599
and every news station was showing my

1036
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,920
video which was exciting i mean i wanted

1037
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,280
people to see what we saw i didn't know

1038
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,359
what they were and to this day i don't

1039
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,800
know what they were but i know that they

1040
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,280
are and and that it's time we get this

1041
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,880
topic out in the open and address it and

1042
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,040
accept it and study it so we can find

1043
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:35,359
out not only who's driving these things

1044
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,400
but

1045
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,720
move forward in our own evolution

1046
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,200
but nonetheless by nine o'clock there

1047
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,359
were a couple other videos

1048
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:45,359
um boomerang videos that were

1049
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,480
spectacular

1050
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,839
okay

1051
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,920
that really took me back

1052
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,599
because here i'm learning

1053
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,920
that thousands of people

1054
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,960
saw a

1055
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,560
similar phenomenon that i had been

1056
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:58,800
documenting for two years throughout the

1057
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:02,320
entire state by the following tuesday

1058
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,280
i see that they're showing my video

1059
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,520
and they're interviewing this fella

1060
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:09,200
jim delatoso

1061
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,960
who is a

1062
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:12,320
has this color

1063
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,520
uh computer lab huge near arizona state

1064
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,599
university right here in tempe

1065
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,400
who also was studying ufos for like 20

1066
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,359
years on the side showing the same exact

1067
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:25,599
phenomenon these orbs in triangle

1068
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:30,880
formation from russia and uk and um

1069
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,560
from belgium and and it was like whoa

1070
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:36,400
and they're much more open by the way in

1071
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,839
other countries to these things being

1072
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,280
otherworldly

1073
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:41,920
but nonetheless i had no idea i had no

1074
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,119
idea that this was happening worldwide

1075
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,680
and that really set me on a journey that

1076
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,400
has brought me here to you today because

1077
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,440
i pushed my whole medical career aside

1078
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,520
to try to find a logical source and

1079
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,280
meaning for what i had witnessed in

1080
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,079
photograph i have identified that 25

1081
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:02,320
years later actually 27 from the 95

1082
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,280
sighting

1083
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,480
i started keeping an intricate diary

1084
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,680
of everything i could i mean

1085
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,839
i even felt an urgency to do this which

1086
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,760
most people will tell you once they have

1087
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:15,680
a paranormal experience

1088
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,880
and

1089
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:17,760
i

1090
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,440
on the wall have ufos what we would call

1091
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,160
ufos in the sky or sumerian writings in

1092
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,319
india writings even the bible ezekiel's

1093
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,040
wheel and and you fast forward to the

1094
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,839
15th and 16th centuries and we have

1095
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,079
frescoes and paintings of people on the

1096
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,720
ground looking up at the sky at what i

1097
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,119
mean are blatant ufos with beings in the

1098
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:03,920
ufos um and then we fast forward again

1099
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,560
to 100 years before

1100
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,560
our mass sighting there was also a mass

1101
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,880
sighting in kansas california washington

1102
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,640
and canada

1103
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,400
of what they called

1104
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,960
these massive airships

1105
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:19,119
with removable lights

1106
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,480
sound familiar

1107
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,720
this was six years before the wright

1108
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,040
brothers took place

1109
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:27,119
and then yeah and then i mean it's

1110
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,400
fascinating when you look at the history

1111
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,160
of these things and then we fast forward

1112
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,680
and we have the belgium sightings and

1113
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,599
they are really a model for what should

1114
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,520
happen because they

1115
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:37,599
got together with

1116
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,359
the military civilians scientists

1117
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,800
universities

1118
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:45,280
to try to study these phenomena france

1119
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,240
did too

1120
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,319
they came up with a committed report

1121
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,640
which really states that these things

1122
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,359
are real that we need to to study them

1123
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,119
at any rate

1124
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,960
not to get off the track but these have

1125
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,319
been going on for a long time and

1126
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,680
there's there's been sightings

1127
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,280
subsequently and if you look on my photo

1128
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,200
page you'll see i've captured quite a

1129
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:04,800
bit myself but other places too

1130
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:08,000
worldwide this is a worldwide phenomenon

1131
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:09,200
okay

1132
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,400
but we're going to get back to the

1133
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,040
phoenix life because the phoenix lights

1134
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:16,560
as i mentioned has become the premier

1135
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,599
case

1136
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:19,760
for these phenomena

1137
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:22,720
and mind you when i came forward in 2004

1138
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,920
seven years later the um

1139
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:27,280
accepted

1140
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,640
okay

1141
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,400
explanation where that they were

1142
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,839
military players we're going to talk

1143
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:32,880
about that

1144
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,160
um we've come a long way since 2004.

1145
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,440
but let me get back to march 13th 1997

1146
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,880
for anyone that doesn't

1147
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,800
uh know and i'm going to tell you more

1148
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,319
details that you've probably never heard

1149
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:46,319
today because there's so much more to

1150
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:47,440
this story

1151
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,119
while thousands of people were looking

1152
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:51,119
skyward for a glimpse of the hail bob

1153
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,560
comet which was very clear in the

1154
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,280
northwest sky that night

1155
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,760
very calm beautiful night

1156
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,920
they also caught a glimpse

1157
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,280
of one

1158
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,119
to much larger

1159
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,359
peter davenport director of the national

1160
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,520
ufo reporting center several years ago

1161
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,599
for the 20th anniversary announced at a

1162
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,040
conference we were speaking at i thought

1163
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,119
he was kidding that one of these

1164
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:15,920
formations we're talking orb formations

1165
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,800
as well as a craft which we'll get to

1166
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,440
was eight miles wide it was like what

1167
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,839
are you kidding me no i mean he's gotten

1168
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:25,280
thousands of reports from people through

1169
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,720
the years

1170
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:29,520
and not only again were there orb

1171
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,720
formations and rock solid v

1172
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,920
triangle

1173
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:35,839
boomerang arrays

1174
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,880
but there were actual craft with

1175
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,440
gunmetal bottoms even windows people saw

1176
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,400
beings at windows they collided

1177
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,079
very slowly

1178
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,839
rooftop level some people said they

1179
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:49,599
could have thrown a rock at it was that

1180
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:52,480
close we have a pilot in the documentary

1181
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,000
who was under one of these orbs or

1182
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,160
what he called a canister of spinning

1183
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,520
energy

1184
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,480
and

1185
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,160
some people the technology was

1186
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,920
incredible in and of itself

1187
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,319
some people saw these

1188
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,520
craft

1189
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,000
take off at blink speed totally silent

1190
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,880
totally silent no sonic boom

1191
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:14,960
didn't disperse the air i mean the

1192
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,920
propulsion is just phenomenal whatever

1193
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,520
it was

1194
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:21,200
some people

1195
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,560
actually i saw it well actually okay to

1196
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,560
get back to the mass sighting

1197
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,720
what most people probably heard from the

1198
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,720
media and i understand where they made

1199
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:32,160
it simple

1200
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,599
um that it was only a couple hours okay

1201
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,599
because most people called and were

1202
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,280
outside looking up at the sky between

1203
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,800
eight and ten and that's when they

1204
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,119
called the news people in luke air force

1205
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,200
base or whatever who denied that anybody

1206
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,040
called but a lot of people got their

1207
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,560
number of the national ufo reporting

1208
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:50,640
center from public air force base but

1209
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,520
anyway

1210
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,680
um so they kind of scrunched it into

1211
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,560
eight to ten but the truth of the matter

1212
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,520
and the data is that the mass sighting

1213
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,040
and again we were seeing it for weeks

1214
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:03,200
and months before but the mass sighting

1215
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,359
day march 13th 1997 started at 3 p.m in

1216
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,960
the afternoon that was the first report

1217
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,480
that we've heard about

1218
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,319
five o'clock hour here's where it really

1219
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,760
gets interesting

1220
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:16,319
it was seen in new mexico by native

1221
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,440
americans

1222
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:20,160
seven o'clock hour and beyond in

1223
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:23,680
california in fact there was a report

1224
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,560
at

1225
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:26,480
between 10 and 11

1226
00:46:10,710 --> 00:45:27,280
a

1227
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:10,720
interesting story

1228
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,920
as they're nearing 30 000 miles 30 000

1229
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:14,880
feet

1230
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,079
with 140 passengers and crew

1231
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:20,000
approaching california

1232
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,760
suddenly they see

1233
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:24,079
a giant flare

1234
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,000
30 000 feet to the right of the aircraft

1235
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,000
moments later

1236
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,160
a military jet comes within by them

1237
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,839
really close and she said she has jumped

1238
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,760
out of her seat it was that close she

1239
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,960
got really nervous and called her

1240
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,720
husband and said don't answer the

1241
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,599
door

1242
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,960
he thought maybe somebody was trying to

1243
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,280
give him a message but nonetheless that

1244
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,440
happened okay that's what she reported

1245
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:48,400
the sightings continued

1246
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,839
and some people even saw discs okay

1247
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,400
until 5 30 the next morning the last

1248
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,880
report i received personally

1249
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:59,599
from a boeing crewman

1250
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,400
an elderly fellow really credible said

1251
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,640
that his entire crew was coming into sky

1252
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,319
harbor international airport and one of

1253
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,720
these mile wide craft was hovering over

1254
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,520
their tarmac so it was many more hours

1255
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,200
over a dozen hours

1256
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,319
it was many events happening and you

1257
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,560
know at 3 a.m the next morning and we

1258
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:20,720
have part of that recorded

1259
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,760
uh

1260
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:24,400
report from an alleged crewman

1261
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:25,440
called the

1262
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,640
national ufo reporting center we am

1263
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,880
to report in great detail very

1264
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,079
professional

1265
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:34,480
that military jets were actually sent

1266
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,200
out

1267
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,599
to intercepting a gun camera film which

1268
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:39,920
i heard they did but i haven't seen it

1269
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,559
so i can't confirm

1270
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,079
one of these craft was hovering right

1271
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,079
over central phoenix

1272
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:49,200
and as they got close the lights dimmed

1273
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,640
and the entire thing blinked out and

1274
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,240
disappeared

1275
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,319
freaking out one of the pilots who this

1276
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,240
alleged crewman said he helped out of

1277
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:58,000
his aircraft because he was so shaken up

1278
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,880
by it

1279
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,680
so

1280
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:02,079
they were well aware of what was going

1281
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,359
on okay

1282
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,280
but we're talking

1283
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,040
over a dozen hours

1284
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,960
multiple things happening over four

1285
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,520
states okay a parade

1286
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:12,640
because

1287
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,200
the investigators actually

1288
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,960
interviewed

1289
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,640
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds if

1290
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:20,800
not thousands of people

1291
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:21,680
from

1292
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,200
mufon

1293
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:29,920
who was receiving obviously many reports

1294
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,559
councilwoman vice mayor at the time of

1295
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,880
phoenix francis barwood who was the only

1296
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:37,440
elected official who innocently asked

1297
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,640
for a investigation months later in may

1298
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,480
because there was nothing after the mass

1299
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,800
sighting no nothing announced by the

1300
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,400
military or government

1301
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,880
um and she was plastered for the wall by

1302
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,040
the media it was really cool i mean

1303
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,280
anyone that came forward at the time um

1304
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:54,960
and that's a whole nother part of this

1305
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,960
whole story um was was ridiculed or and

1306
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,520
stickered and laughed at and whatever it

1307
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,440
was not a good time to come forward i

1308
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:05,119
was so glad i was anonymous for seven

1309
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,400
years

1310
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,400
but nonetheless not only that but

1311
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,720
village labs too all these reports and

1312
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:13,280
two or more people had to see the same

1313
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,640
craft to be in the study if you go to

1314
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,040
the gap page geospatial animation

1315
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,079
project on the phoenix lights network

1316
00:49:28,829 --> 00:49:26,950
website

1317
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,839
you will see illustrations and

1318
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,440
animations they're fabulous by larry

1319
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:32,960
lowe

1320
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,000
of 10 different craft

1321
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,920
now whether it was one craft they really

1322
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,200
look different

1323
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:41,200
one craft that could morph into looking

1324
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,319
different

1325
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,760
front

1326
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,200
perspective from where the person was

1327
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,400
standing or an actual parade which was

1328
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,880
what the investigators after 12 years of

1329
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,119
meticulously studying this data

1330
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,359
concluded because there were so many

1331
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:57,359
things happening at the same time these

1332
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,400
orb formations craft as well incredible

1333
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,240
people saw these crafts people trying to

1334
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,000
poo through the crap no

1335
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,000
people were right underneath it okay we

1336
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:09,280
have a registered nurse okay who was

1337
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:10,160
right

1338
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,680
light and saw the bottom like listening

1339
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:16,880
and and some people said it was like

1340
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:20,160
looking for water but he actually saw a

1341
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,280
gunmetal

1342
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:22,800
and saw

1343
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:25,359
what he described as this canister like

1344
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,559
a like a ceiling canister with like lava

1345
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,680
coming down he thought it was going to

1346
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,920
hit him but then it shot right up before

1347
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,920
it came out of the out of the

1348
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,960
bottom

1349
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:37,280
um i mean the descriptions are amazing

1350
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,000
so

1351
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,040
anyway here we go

1352
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:46,549
is what i caught at 10 o'clock this is a

1353
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:50,480
screenshot from the documentary okay

1354
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,240
um which is pretty amazing because when

1355
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,559
i first saw it actually it was it was

1356
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,559
about a quarter to 10 and as i mentioned

1357
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,200
the arrowhead in my video were before 10

1358
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,359
o'clock and my husband and i are

1359
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,640
watching um tv and we see the uh you

1360
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,400
know how they do a promo about a quarter

1361
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,280
of 20 quarter of uh for what the 10

1362
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,599
o'clock news is going to be and we see a

1363
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,119
promo

1364
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,599
and suddenly i notice this is on march

1365
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,160
13th six lights in a line just like i

1366
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,400
had two months before right and i

1367
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:24,160
grabbed my video camera i get out there

1368
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,119
and i'm fumbling with it because it

1369
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,280
wouldn't focus by the time i look up

1370
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:28,800
there were three lights

1371
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:32,079
okay like a giant mile wide v

1372
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,839
okay so this is the video that i caught

1373
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,839
okay

1374
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:39,839
so i'm not sure what the what the next

1375
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,240
slide is just wait one second

1376
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,839
oh okay go back

1377
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,040
yeah okay

1378
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,920
go back right back back back okay now

1379
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,400
there we go okay sorry

1380
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,400
i don't want to spoil it

1381
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,760
get ahead of myself

1382
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,680
um

1383
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,520
at any rate as i mentioned there was no

1384
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,000
investigation no explanation for months

1385
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,520
i mean the only thing that happened was

1386
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,760
that francis barwood the phoenix vice

1387
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:05,920
mayor uh asked for an investigation and

1388
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,960
she was laughed at and and and ridiculed

1389
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,480
and they made jokes in the paper and all

1390
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,000
that

1391
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:13,440
suddenly

1392
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,800
on june 18th

1393
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,280
we see a front page usa today article

1394
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:21,520
now we can show the next one

1395
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,960
which was a multi-page article

1396
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,440
divulging our mass sighting for the

1397
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:29,680
first time mind you they had really kept

1398
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:33,040
a cap on it in phoenix in arizona okay

1399
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,319
there was like a little article that

1400
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,319
appeared in the arizona republic like in

1401
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:38,640
section b page eight or something that

1402
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:40,960
was it okay

1403
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,760
but here is front page

1404
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,000
opening up to international scrutiny in

1405
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:48,079
fact we did not have social media at the

1406
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,520
time and overnight it went viral by the

1407
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,359
next morning

1408
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,040
every

1409
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,599
morning show was carrying it in in

1410
00:53:02,549 --> 00:52:58,800
america

1411
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,559
peter jennings dan rather it was the

1412
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,400
news of the day

1413
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,720
and we were deluged by media from all

1414
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,079
over the world and once they started

1415
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,079
talking to the witnesses again their

1416
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:12,720
descriptions were so detailed and so

1417
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,599
heartfelt they too were asking why isn't

1418
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,200
there an investigation why isn't there

1419
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:19,520
an explanation

1420
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,240
the very next day

1421
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:25,520
we get an announcement i'm sorry yeah uh

1422
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,920
yeah the next day we get an announcement

1423
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:29,520
oh excuse me excuse me i'm trying to get

1424
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,599
my thoughts that that late morning after

1425
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,079
the day after the usa today article we

1426
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,319
get an announcement that then governor

1427
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,800
fife symington was holding an

1428
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:42,559
unscheduled press conference very

1429
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,160
unusual okay that afternoon to divulge

1430
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,400
the culprit

1431
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:50,240
of the lights over phoenix and people

1432
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,920
took it seriously

1433
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,280
and there were press there were

1434
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,040
witnesses whatever

1435
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:57,280
and he comes marching out one of his

1436
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,559
aides with a giant alien head costume

1437
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,319
and made a mockery

1438
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:04,480
of the mass sighting it was really

1439
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,280
disconcerting especially for parents

1440
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,440
there were children that saw something

1441
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:12,160
that was three four moles wide

1442
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:15,440
and he's making a joke out of it

1443
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,440
that kind of put a lid on it i have to

1444
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,000
say but not for me

1445
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,880
i started calling all the military bases

1446
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,640
and asking them what they knew never

1447
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,119
told them any details about what i saw

1448
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,119
or what i

1449
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,200
documented on film

1450
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,359
but their conversations and i have a

1451
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,000
couple of them in the book

1452
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,640
were comical i mean they were just as

1453
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,520
curious as we were they were begging me

1454
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:43,839
to meet with them to see what i had

1455
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,400
right and one of them even said well the

1456
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:47,839
only one who knows who did this is god

1457
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,319
and whoever did this

1458
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:52,240
this is like one of the heads of the

1459
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,839
military base right

1460
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,240
a month later

1461
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:58,400
i get a call

1462
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,520
from

1463
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,440
one of the heads of pr at the air

1464
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:03,200
national guard and she says oh dr lynn i

1465
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,480
think we know what those lights were

1466
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,720
back in march and i was thrilled

1467
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,480
i said what were they she said do you

1468
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,520
believe in all these months

1469
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,200
no one ever looked at the

1470
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,760
log for visiting air national guard and

1471
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,520
the maryland air national guard was in

1472
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,000
town sending off flares military

1473
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,799
illumination flares and operation

1474
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,079
snowbird

1475
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,400
which i later found out by the way in

1476
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:28,720
military terms means diversionary

1477
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:31,200
tactical maneuvers okay

1478
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,400
which they may have sent off flares

1479
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,640
no one that saw the true unknowns

1480
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:38,960
described what flares do because i said

1481
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:40,799
to her wait a minute

1482
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,799
when was the maryland air national guard

1483
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,440
in town she said march 1st to the 15th i

1484
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,280
said were they in town in january she

1485
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,440
said oh no i said are you sure she said

1486
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:50,880
absolutely not

1487
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:56,789
both my husband and i witnessed and i

1488
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,359
got pictures of the same exact phenomena

1489
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,359
in the same exact location

1490
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:03,760
two months before the mass sighting and

1491
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,480
she says to me you never told me that

1492
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:08,400
and i said besides you're trying to tell

1493
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,839
me the flares

1494
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,240
they cannot keep affirmation they're

1495
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:13,839
drifted i educate myself to anything

1496
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:16,400
logical including flares drift and drop

1497
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,920
on parachutes haphazardly with the wind

1498
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,680
they can only keep if anything

1499
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,359
information for a couple seconds but

1500
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,760
then they drift and drop haphazardly to

1501
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,319
the ground they have huge smoke trails

1502
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,799
that are illuminated by the flare itself

1503
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:32,720
and they illuminate the ground which not

1504
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,640
one not one person reported

1505
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:38,720
any of those characteristics and i said

1506
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,040
you you you're saying that

1507
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,599
flares that cannot keep affirmation

1508
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:45,520
actually traverse the entire state in a

1509
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,079
rock solid equidistantly spaced

1510
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:51,359
v formation for hours and she says

1511
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:52,880
i have a call coming in i'll get back to

1512
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,710
anyway let me let me put this to rest

1513
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,079
once and for all if we can go to the

1514
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:02,880
next uh slide

1515
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,680
here are the top row

1516
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:07,760
are true unknowns actually the first

1517
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,799
picture is from stephenville texas which

1518
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,400
happened uh

1519
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,960
a year after our mass sighting the

1520
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,480
middle one is one of my favorite

1521
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,240
pictures that i took one month after 9

1522
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:19,920
11 there's a whole story of that that i

1523
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:22,720
share in the book and uh the third

1524
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,720
picture as well the bottom are flares

1525
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,799
give me a break

1526
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:30,240
there are nothing

1527
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:34,079
like the true unknowns not only that

1528
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:35,760
excuse me but to

1529
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,559
verify this and again if you go to the

1530
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,359
phoenix sites network website and go on

1531
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:42,960
the news page

1532
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:45,200
and you scroll down

1533
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,240
to the az family

1534
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:50,400
square there

1535
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:53,599
three years after the mass sighting

1536
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,319
then secretary of state francis barr

1537
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,799
then vice mayor and councilwoman

1538
00:58:01,430 --> 00:58:00,640
transport was running for secretary of

1539
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,440
state

1540
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:03,280
to get answers for the phoenix lights

1541
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:04,960
even as a public safety issue they were

1542
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,480
talking rooftop level here okay

1543
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:10,640
asking for a reenactment which was

1544
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,839
brilliant because okay again i'm a show

1545
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:15,040
me person

1546
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:17,839
if you can reenact it and you show me

1547
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,000
that what you do is the same as what i

1548
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,559
saw and documented on film hey

1549
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,640
shame on you for denying it for so long

1550
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,240
and for whatever

1551
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,240
but

1552
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:30,319
and for going over people's heads

1553
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:31,200
okay

1554
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,559
um but

1555
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,799
show me well right before the third

1556
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:36,880
anniversary

1557
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,000
they tried they announced publicly that

1558
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,000
three air national guards i think it was

1559
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,079
new york michigan and california were

1560
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,559
coming into town to send off flares to

1561
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,880
show everyone the phoenix lake we can go

1562
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:51,359
to the next uh

1563
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:55,280
slide it was a joke not only and again

1564
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,200
the top formation

1565
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,760
are the true unknowns the bottom are

1566
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,000
flares they tried to make a triangle was

1567
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,000
upside down it fell apart immediately

1568
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,160
and huge smoke trails again not one

1569
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,640
person and they might ascend off flares

1570
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:10,640
i don't know did i burn attention away

1571
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,400
but not one person that i've spoken to

1572
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,640
that saw the true unknown describes any

1573
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:16,720
of those characteristics

1574
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,559
in any rate um that really put a nail in

1575
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:22,000
their coffin i mean here they had their

1576
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,799
shot

1577
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,079
and again if you go to the phoenix

1578
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,240
lights network news page

1579
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:28,480
and scroll down you'll see exactly what

1580
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:29,760
they did

1581
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:30,880
and

1582
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,799
it's really important to note

1583
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:35,119
that the phoenix sites have never been

1584
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:36,480
attempted to be

1585
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:38,240
reenacted again

1586
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:41,040
nor have they been explained and

1587
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:42,799
they never the military and government

1588
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:44,000
have never

1589
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:45,200
addressed

1590
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:47,839
the craft that people saw important to

1591
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:50,319
note now if you look at this picture

1592
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,839
the first one is that second picture i

1593
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,079
took two months before

1594
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,760
that other picture

1595
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:57,520
after 10 o'clock

1596
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,040
there were two boomerang videos okay

1597
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,839
this one is really impressive in fact it

1598
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,839
was um that's another thing we have on

1599
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,920
the news page it was analyzed by a

1600
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,520
software specialist

1601
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,200
and he slowed it down

1602
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:13,599
just recently just a year or two ago and

1603
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:14,960
they don't budge

1604
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:18,720
of them actually elevates and splits in

1605
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:21,520
two players don't do that okay there was

1606
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,640
another

1607
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:24,880
uh boomerang video after 10 o'clock was

1608
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,920
a little haphazard never used that that

1609
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,160
may have been the flares okay but

1610
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,079
nonetheless this one

1611
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,400
was the one that was really attacked for

1612
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:37,040
being flares mine on the other hand not

1613
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,520
only dr bruce mcavee but the air traffic

1614
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,000
controllers confirmed that what i

1615
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:44,799
videotaped was actually over class b

1616
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,520
restricted airspace and certainly wasn't

1617
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,520
players okay

1618
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,200
now

1619
01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:53,359
fast forward again

1620
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:54,839
10 years

1621
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,839
later suddenly after the 10th

1622
01:01:02,870 --> 01:00:59,520
anniversary

1623
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:05,910
by symington who had mocked the sighting

1624
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:10,000
in 97 comes forward bravely

1625
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:11,599
for whatever reason

1626
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:14,720
to divulge that he actually saw he

1627
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:17,680
witnessed one of these mile wide crap

1628
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,880
himself

1629
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,720
and that it was definitely not flares

1630
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:22,240
and he's an awarded

1631
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,839
navy awarded uh pilot pilot military

1632
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:27,680
pilot

1633
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,599
definitely wasn't flares

1634
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,760
and in his own words he called it

1635
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,280
otherworldly

1636
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:35,520
again that's the word that was used for

1637
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:38,880
years decades by countries all over the

1638
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,559
world

1639
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,480
sorry i will just interject here because

1640
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:44,160
we're not able to show this video but

1641
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,000
what i'll do is i'll link this below so

1642
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:48,160
that people can then go and refer to it

1643
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:50,000
that way they get an impression of what

1644
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:51,119
we're talking about but unfortunately

1645
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,839
due to copyright we're unable to show it

1646
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,319
but it's posted on our on our

1647
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,160
website if people would like to see it

1648
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,960
it's a wonderful report okay

1649
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:02,640
then

1650
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:05,359
2017

1651
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:07,280
other things were happening too it was

1652
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,559
very interesting the pentagon came out

1653
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:12,799
front page new york times

1654
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:15,440
that there was a 22 million dollar

1655
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:16,799
funded

1656
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:20,079
study by the military and government and

1657
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:21,520
the pentagon

1658
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:22,319
um

1659
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:24,160
headed by harry reid he was one of the

1660
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,559
people who were involved with it

1661
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:28,799
of ufos

1662
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,119
which was really a big step forward

1663
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:33,119
because they were finally admitting that

1664
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:35,440
they were studying them for years before

1665
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,559
and probably decades before

1666
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:39,920
and then

1667
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:42,160
the navy pilots came forward

1668
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,559
the nimitz baby pilots with video

1669
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,200
showing these tic tac or laws and shaped

1670
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:49,200
objects

1671
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,720
confirming

1672
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:52,160
that there's something going on out

1673
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:53,920
there that's real

1674
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:56,240
that cannot be explained

1675
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:57,440
okay

1676
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,559
now

1677
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:00,319
besides that

1678
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:03,680
also suddenly around the same time

1679
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:05,680
the private pilot and it's interesting

1680
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,119
because in the first edition of my book

1681
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:09,119
and it's now in the fourth edition but

1682
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,319
the first edition of my because the

1683
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:11,839
story unfolds i didn't want to write

1684
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:13,839
another book the first book is too

1685
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:16,400
important i'll get to that but

1686
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:18,880
um the pilot i do mention that a pilot

1687
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,920
calls into sky harbor uh air traffic

1688
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,119
controller

1689
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,280
this private pilot that called in

1690
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,119
happened to be we can go to the next

1691
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,440
slide actor

1692
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,359
kurt russell

1693
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:34,319
which blew me away because if you look

1694
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:35,839
at his uk

1695
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:37,760
interview okay

1696
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,440
on the phoenix lights network news page

1697
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:43,280
fabulous interview

1698
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:47,829
that

1699
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:49,839
as he was coming into sky harbor with

1700
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:52,640
his son oliver they uh have a house i

1701
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:54,720
think he was living with goldie hawn

1702
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:57,680
here in carefree and oliver had a date

1703
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:59,039
or something with his girlfriend and he

1704
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,480
was coming in and he was the first to

1705
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,039
notice it which is also interesting

1706
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,960
because children

1707
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,720
were usually the first to notice this

1708
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:08,880
v-shaped thing coming towards them on

1709
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:11,599
march 13th and were so inundated with

1710
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,280
right threat threat and fear fair fear

1711
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,680
with hollywood and the media

1712
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:17,760
we have dr gary schwartz in the

1713
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:19,119
documentary who's the head of the

1714
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:20,799
congress of study department university

1715
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:23,599
of arizona state if you're inundated

1716
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:24,839
with

1717
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:27,200
fear how are you supposed to react when

1718
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,880
you see something that you're

1719
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,880
told is fearful right

1720
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:32,319
so kids would jump up and down

1721
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:33,599
independence day independence day

1722
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:34,960
because independence day movie was

1723
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:37,280
popular six months before

1724
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:39,760
but as it got closer interestingly a

1725
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:42,000
calmness came over everyone

1726
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:43,839
that connectedness adults and children

1727
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,319
alike to the phenomena that once it

1728
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:48,720
passed they wanted their parents to run

1729
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:51,280
to get in the car and run after it uh i

1730
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,720
mean it's amazing we'll get to how it

1731
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:54,960
affected people in in real time and long

1732
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:56,240
term if we may

1733
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:57,440
but

1734
01:05:02,309 --> 01:04:59,839
one of the things that kurt russell also

1735
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,319
shares is that after

1736
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:04,720
they had the sighting and his son told

1737
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,160
him about these six lights and he said

1738
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:09,039
whoa i better report this which he did

1739
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:10,720
they didn't talk about it they didn't

1740
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,160
discuss it

1741
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,799
they didn't think about it

1742
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:17,280
it just was repressed which by the way i

1743
01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:18,480
get into this in the book there was a

1744
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:20,559
psychiatrist with his family that was

1745
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,839
coming up from tucson two hours south of

1746
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:25,599
phoenix to a swim meet and there was a

1747
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:26,400
whole

1748
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:28,079
car full of people and he was in the

1749
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,599
passenger seat and actually looked out

1750
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:31,839
his window at this massive craft that

1751
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,400
was extending on both sides of the giant

1752
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:36,720
highway the main highway between phoenix

1753
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:38,000
and tucson

1754
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:39,839
they didn't talk about it either

1755
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:42,400
they never talked about it for months

1756
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,079
kurt didn't talk about it for two years

1757
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,799
he walks in on goldie looking at a show

1758
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:48,240
that's talking about the phoenix sights

1759
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,799
and he's a wait that sounds awfully

1760
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:52,319
familiar

1761
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:53,200
and

1762
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,760
he goes to his log to check

1763
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,359
and he said

1764
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:59,359
that was me

1765
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,079
because they talked about a pilot right

1766
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:03,680
which is very exciting so all these

1767
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:05,359
things are coming

1768
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:06,720
forward and

1769
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:09,440
um suddenly the phoenix lights is really

1770
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,520
exploding as a major major sighting

1771
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,200
and um

1772
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,599
the the other thing that if we can go to

1773
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:19,440
the next slide

1774
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:20,400
and

1775
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:23,520
as you'll see on the news page

1776
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,200
uh

1777
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:27,200
once the mass sighting happens i push my

1778
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:29,280
entire professional life aside for seven

1779
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,480
years

1780
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,640
searching almost frantically for a

1781
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:34,400
logical explanation which i have yet to

1782
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:35,280
find

1783
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:37,359
25 years later

1784
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:38,400
i

1785
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:49,440
the heart test

1786
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:52,319
and while i was in my little

1787
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:55,359
office in between patients i pared down

1788
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:59,520
the 750 pages to 230 pages

1789
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:01,920
and finally in 2004

1790
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:03,920
i did a lot of soul searching and there

1791
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:05,920
was so much miss and disinformation out

1792
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,839
there and as i mentioned that the

1793
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,599
official explanation was that it was

1794
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:11,839
flares it was like oh my goodness people

1795
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,839
have to know that there's much more to

1796
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:15,280
the story

1797
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:16,559
and if people want to feed into the

1798
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:19,520
flare theory gives them comfort so be it

1799
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:23,200
but i finally came forward in 2004

1800
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:24,559
and

1801
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:26,799
it was really scary because i didn't

1802
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,680
know how it would be perceived um i know

1803
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:32,160
when people actually read the book

1804
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:34,799
because i had doctors and nurses come up

1805
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,200
to me thanking me for kind i couldn't

1806
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:39,200
believe it that they had had savings

1807
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:41,839
when they were children or whatever and

1808
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:43,599
they couldn't make sense of it so that

1809
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,200
the book the phoenix like the skeptics

1810
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:47,280
discovery that we are now on has really

1811
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:50,000
helped people transform but i also and

1812
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:51,440
that was another reason i didn't want to

1813
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:52,960
come forward because i only do things

1814
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:55,200
one way if i'm going to do it

1815
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:56,960
i'm gonna do it and i try to be as

1816
01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:59,200
professional and credible as i can and

1817
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,799
i've done dozens and dozens of

1818
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:02,480
interviews on travel channel history

1819
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,799
channel and science channel and so forth

1820
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:07,280
and this one which is the most recent

1821
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,839
discovery plus for anybody that has

1822
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,359
discovery plus

1823
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,200
um

1824
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:15,280
has a new show called ufo witness and

1825
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,480
it's streaming there now episode 5 is

1826
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:21,040
about the phoenix lights and i kind of

1827
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:22,719
follow it through

1828
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,520
as a spokesman now for for the phoenix

1829
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:27,839
lights um it's a great episode and we

1830
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:30,080
have a little snippet which again we

1831
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,000
unfortunately can't show today but it is

1832
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,239
on the news page on the phoenix lights

1833
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:36,319
network website

1834
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:40,000
um so i i invite people to to go there

1835
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:42,319
and look the other thing i wanted to get

1836
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,279
into

1837
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,839
um and if you want to show the the uh

1838
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:48,000
book cover of the of uh the phoenix

1839
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:49,040
lights

1840
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:50,799
this is the latest edition this is the

1841
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:53,279
fourth edition and um i know it's

1842
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,640
available in uk amazon uh it's also

1843
01:09:02,149 --> 01:08:59,040
available in kindle

1844
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:02,159
which i recommend because the pictures

1845
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:03,600
are in color

1846
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,759
and i also have links there i went to

1847
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,600
great lanes to put links wherever i

1848
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:10,239
could so that people could explore if

1849
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,920
they would i mean this this has all been

1850
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:13,839
for my own heart and pocket i just want

1851
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,159
people to to look at the data if they

1852
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:18,400
would and it is a choice okay not trying

1853
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:20,560
to convince anybody of anything but the

1854
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:22,239
data is out there and i've added

1855
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:23,759
chapters again this is the fourth

1856
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:24,960
edition

1857
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:27,279
as these things have unfolded

1858
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,880
because the first

1859
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,319
and i was asked to do a second book i

1860
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:32,880
said the first book is so important

1861
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,080
every word is there for a reason

1862
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,920
not only to show how the story unfolded

1863
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:39,199
and i've just told you the tip of the

1864
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:40,400
iceberg

1865
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:41,120
but

1866
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,279
how it affected people as well half the

1867
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:45,759
book is about this by the way

1868
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:48,000
not only in real time and long term as i

1869
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,080
mentioned in real time a calmness came

1870
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:53,040
over everyone people were in awe in

1871
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:54,719
wonder

1872
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:58,000
curious there has not been one not one

1873
01:10:03,350 --> 01:09:59,679
credible report

1874
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:03,360
in 25 years now of harm threat or

1875
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,120
abduction associated with the phoenix

1876
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,920
lights phenomena can't speak about other

1877
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,440
things but i can about the phoenix

1878
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:11,440
lights if anything it was quite the

1879
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:12,800
opposite

1880
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:15,840
people still tell me to this day i still

1881
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,199
get emails and messages on facebook that

1882
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:21,840
people felt blessed

1883
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:24,400
that they had the experience

1884
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:27,600
so in real time and then long term

1885
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,480
afterwards even my own husband he

1886
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,920
doesn't eat meat anymore and people

1887
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:33,600
change their eating habits

1888
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,480
um

1889
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,159
people went into the peace movement the

1890
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,000
environmental movement

1891
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,480
um it wasn't a belief

1892
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,080
in these phenomena

1893
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:45,120
whoever did this not only wanted to wake

1894
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,960
us up to their presence and i don't know

1895
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:48,560
who did this i mean i you can go through

1896
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,640
a plethora of interstellar

1897
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:52,400
interdimensional which is my take

1898
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,000
because i've seen it disappear in front

1899
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:56,400
of me but where did it go it still felt

1900
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:57,760
like it was there for three weeks

1901
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:00,719
actually after all three disappeared uh

1902
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,199
trap time travelers even our own

1903
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:05,040
technology some people think there's a

1904
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,239
runaway

1905
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:08,800
society civilization that's far more

1906
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:11,199
advanced than we are i don't know but

1907
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,760
nonetheless whoever did this wanted to

1908
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,080
wake us up to their presence

1909
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,000
in a very gentle

1910
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,920
non-threatening way

1911
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:22,159
as well as wake us up that we're not

1912
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:23,360
alone

1913
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:24,840
in the universe

1914
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:28,239
and as i said it changed people forever

1915
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:30,480
not only that but another really

1916
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:33,440
interesting aspect for me personally

1917
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,840
when i was interviewing witnesses they

1918
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:37,679
also shared with me

1919
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:40,000
that they had had near-death experiences

1920
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,440
as children

1921
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,000
that was reawakened by the phoenix

1922
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,840
slate's mass sighting

1923
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:47,360
and i found that

1924
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:50,239
really powerful because i did too and we

1925
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,159
won't have time to get into it but

1926
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:54,239
i lay it all out there in the in the

1927
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:55,120
book

1928
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,000
um

1929
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:58,159
not only did i have a profound

1930
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:00,000
life-changing experience at eight years

1931
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:01,600
old i thought everybody was psychic and

1932
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:04,159
empathic and knew the secret

1933
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:05,199
um

1934
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:07,760
but it woke me up it wasn't a belief

1935
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:11,280
anymore it was a knowing and knowing

1936
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:14,159
that we're not alone

1937
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:21,270
could there be a connection between all

1938
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,199
unexplained phenomena whether it's

1939
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:25,040
near-death experience out-of-body

1940
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,000
experience unexplained aerial phenomena

1941
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:29,920
with a mystical light

1942
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:31,840
associated with the experience and lo

1943
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:34,880
and behold again when i started looking

1944
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:37,840
i found an abundance of credible data at

1945
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:39,920
university level the omega project which

1946
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:42,400
is like a four inch thick book by dr

1947
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,679
kenneth ring

1948
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:45,760
uh dr john mack

1949
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:48,480
at harvard a pulitzer prize-winning

1950
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:51,679
psychiatrist as well as others

1951
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:52,560
were

1952
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,800
professing that they from their analysis

1953
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,080
of their data

1954
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:58,320
that there was indeed a connection

1955
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:00,960
between all unexplained phenomena not

1956
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,679
only in the experience itself which i

1957
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,600
laid out very simply in the book is very

1958
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:07,440
similar when you really look at the data

1959
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,679
it's amazing whatever the experience is

1960
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:11,760
unexplained phenomena experience i

1961
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:13,520
started calling them an up

1962
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,560
u p unexplained phenomena

1963
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:18,640
because they are

1964
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:20,800
the positive transformation this was

1965
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,760
what was so important for me to share

1966
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,280
the awakening

1967
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:27,520
the enlightenment that happens to an

1968
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:31,679
individual that has a true up experience

1969
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,920
changes their lives forever the

1970
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:36,000
connectedness that they feel for the

1971
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:37,679
first time many

1972
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:40,320
to the universe to the earth to each

1973
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,199
other

1974
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:43,440
we're all connected

1975
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:44,400
and

1976
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:47,280
the bottom line is that it's a knowing

1977
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:49,360
that we're not alone

1978
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,679
so i really get into that in the book

1979
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,280
and share my own

1980
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:55,360
near-death experience which is really

1981
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:58,080
really um amazing i

1982
01:14:12,950 --> 01:13:58,960
i

1983
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,960
that

1984
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:15,040
i have felt have been with me since i

1985
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:17,679
was a child since i was eight years old

1986
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,239
and been my guides and i go into that in

1987
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:22,560
the book as well because there are many

1988
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:25,120
crossroads i've come to and i've come to

1989
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:27,440
trust i don't hear voices but i do

1990
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:29,600
meditation and i also give 10 ways if

1991
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:31,840
people choose to do this because you

1992
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:34,880
don't have to have an up experience to

1993
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:37,760
have this positive transformation

1994
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:40,480
all you need to do is open your mind and

1995
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:42,960
your heart and learn about it

1996
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:45,280
you can also have this positive

1997
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:46,800
transformation

1998
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:50,640
and from a child i have felt that these

1999
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:53,120
guides or whatever are are real and

2000
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:54,560
they're out there

2001
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,840
to help and whenever

2002
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,000
and call it a coincidence if you want

2003
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:02,480
whenever i have a question about

2004
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:04,000
something and the phoenix lights was one

2005
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:07,840
of them okay i had i i had showed

2006
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:09,920
finally some of the data to some of my

2007
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:12,080
friends who know me and i said why do i

2008
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,159
have this i don't want to do this this

2009
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:16,239
is nothing i would choose to do

2010
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:18,000
but i have this data how can i just

2011
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,840
stick it in a drawer and they would look

2012
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:21,360
at me and say

2013
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:23,199
lynn

2014
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:24,640
if anybody can do something incredible

2015
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,840
and professional with this you can

2016
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:27,600
you've been doing this your whole life

2017
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,080
with vital health issues and i actually

2018
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:32,320
went out on the balcony and

2019
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:34,400
again i still was a healthy skeptic

2020
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:36,800
what's going on here and just search the

2021
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:39,120
heavens and and just saw it and

2022
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:40,400
meditated

2023
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:42,960
okay if i'm supposed to do something

2024
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:45,840
productive with this show me the way

2025
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:46,960
just

2026
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:49,040
lead me to whatever i have to do i will

2027
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:51,520
do the most i can with my own expertise

2028
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:54,080
and energy to help

2029
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,080
and from that day forward the puzzle

2030
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:58,480
pieces just keep fitting together it's

2031
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:01,600
really bizarre but it is what it is and

2032
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:04,159
i hope people will pick up the book

2033
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:06,239
because there's so much more in the in

2034
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,440
there um in fact there i also added and

2035
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:11,840
that's why i recommend the ebook because

2036
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:15,040
it's a color picture of a photograph

2037
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:17,280
that one of my sons took who was the

2038
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:19,760
biggest skeptical he's an attorney and

2039
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:21,120
he said mom you better not come forward

2040
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,239
they're going to find out it's military

2041
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:24,320
and you'll look like an idiot until this

2042
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:25,280
happened

2043
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,560
that confirms that we do go on

2044
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,080
okay i'll leave it at that i'm not going

2045
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:32,640
to spoil it spoil it but it is a picture

2046
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:35,360
that has been analyzed ad nauseum it is

2047
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:37,760
real and um

2048
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:39,360
my mom

2049
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,679
uh came through

2050
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:44,320
in this picture as clear as can be

2051
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:46,880
ten years after she passed okay and she

2052
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:49,120
was very close with this son so i'll

2053
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:52,400
i'll leave it at that i'll let you

2054
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:53,840
the other thing if you want to show the

2055
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,400
next picture is that um

2056
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,480
we have a documentary

2057
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,320
the phoenix lights beyond top secret is

2058
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:02,400
the latest edition

2059
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:04,159
again that has

2060
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,600
continued to unfold unfortunately amazon

2061
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:09,600
doesn't

2062
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:11,920
sell dvds anymore

2063
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,080
it's only available on streaming and if

2064
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:16,400
you have amazon prime you can watch it

2065
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:19,280
for free i understand so um hopefully

2066
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,199
people will take a look this is just a

2067
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:23,280
gentle overview i wanted to get

2068
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:25,840
something out there uh for

2069
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:28,159
um people not only who have had

2070
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:29,679
experiences but certainly people who

2071
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,440
haven't who might just be curious or um

2072
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:35,440
either a husband or a wife or whatever

2073
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:37,040
it doesn't want to hear about it but

2074
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:39,760
here this video with witnesses with

2075
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,400
astronaut edgar mitchell who's amazing

2076
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:45,280
um his words are so powerful

2077
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:48,159
with children in it with um we have the

2078
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:50,960
analysis of the flares so people can see

2079
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:52,880
how that was discredited we also

2080
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:55,679
addressed the threat scenario and how it

2081
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:59,040
affects people at a very deep soul level

2082
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:00,800
and that doesn't happen

2083
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,000
with flares or balloons or chinese

2084
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:05,920
lanterns okay so you have to put that in

2085
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:08,719
the mix as well and my latest uh

2086
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:12,239
adventure if because i am so passionate

2087
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:14,640
about young people educating young

2088
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:16,640
people to the reality of vital health

2089
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,880
issues how could i not

2090
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,719
educate them to the reality of this

2091
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,320
vital issue and if you want to share the

2092
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:24,960
next slide

2093
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:28,000
this is the phoenix lights ufos and crop

2094
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:30,800
circles coloring books a graphic novel

2095
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:33,440
activities coloring book for all ages i

2096
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:34,560
wanted to get something out there

2097
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,440
because i've been working on a

2098
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:38,000
curriculum for many many many years it's

2099
01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:39,679
rough to get this into the classroom

2100
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,679
needless to say and for the 20th

2101
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:43,840
anniversary i wanted to take what i had

2102
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:46,239
compiled over seven years and put it

2103
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:47,679
into a

2104
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,120
kind of a workbook coloring book um for

2105
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:53,679
all ages for teachers to use for parents

2106
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:56,000
to do with their kids grandparents to

2107
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,000
also do with their grandchildren that

2108
01:19:02,470 --> 01:18:59,920
has not only the story of the phoenix

2109
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:02,480
lights sprinkled throughout but the 10

2110
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:04,880
different craft that are on the gap page

2111
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:07,440
gap on the phoenix sites network website

2112
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:10,960
are there to color we had a map maker

2113
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:13,360
come to phoenix

2114
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,159
from denver and actually to scale

2115
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,239
from what people described

2116
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,880
show these craft and they're fabulous we

2117
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:22,800
have 80 crop circles and i tried to pick

2118
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:24,880
the most ornate

2119
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:26,239
that couldn't have possibly been

2120
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:27,679
man-made because we know some are

2121
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:30,800
man-made and we talk about that too

2122
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,320
the difference between

2123
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:35,040
genuine and man-made crop circles we

2124
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:36,640
also have activities

2125
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:39,280
that are amazing word finders and crime

2126
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:40,560
and uh

2127
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,239
crossword puzzles and um sacred geometry

2128
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:46,159
and all hosts and the answers for those

2129
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:49,840
of us who are um challenged to answers

2130
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:52,560
and there it's a whole host of things

2131
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:55,280
150 pages for the black and white

2132
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:58,320
book and 160 pages with added colored

2133
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,600
pictures in the color edition um again

2134
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:03,600
offered on amazon they're all awkward on

2135
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:05,840
amazon so i hope people will will check

2136
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,719
them out and um when i go to conferences

2137
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:10,560
i just have to say because it's hard to

2138
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,520
to visualize this it's the graphic novel

2139
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:15,520
activities coloring book as fabulous as

2140
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:18,320
it is um they do show in the color

2141
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,639
version you can go inside and take a

2142
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:22,800
look so that's you know you can do that

2143
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:24,400
but when i have it in my hand at

2144
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:27,120
conferences i can't keep it in my head

2145
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:29,360
people are literally grabbing out i sell

2146
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:31,360
out every single time so it's something

2147
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:34,000
that um oh and we have iconic pictures i

2148
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:36,719
always forgot iconic historical pictures

2149
01:20:45,830 --> 01:20:42,239
from uh uh we have the the ufos over

2150
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:45,840
the capital uh that picture we have um

2151
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:48,639
uh also the the foo fighters that's

2152
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:50,480
another thing i didn't even mention um

2153
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:53,280
in world war ii these orbs

2154
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,679
the same exact thing dr richard haynes

2155
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:58,000
who was the head of uh sort of narcap

2156
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:01,360
for pilot thousands of pilot reports um

2157
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:04,000
i consulted with him and consulted with

2158
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:06,080
him and he said that my

2159
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,480
data is very similar

2160
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:10,400
to what they called foo fighters these

2161
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:13,360
balls these these uh it's

2162
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:16,639
fire in french um that each side so the

2163
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,880
other side had this advanced technology

2164
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,199
and it wasn't until spy technology and

2165
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:23,280
it wasn't until after the war

2166
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:26,639
world war ii that uh japan and germany

2167
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:28,320
and the u.s tried to study and find out

2168
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,520
who had these

2169
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:32,080
and nobody could find out so um we have

2170
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:34,320
a picture an actual picture

2171
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:36,080
of um

2172
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:38,239
of a plane with foo fighters around it

2173
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:41,040
and by the way in the documentary

2174
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:44,480
if you go to amazon prime and watch that

2175
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,920
uh edition at the very end we have a 93

2176
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:49,199
year young

2177
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:50,960
french pilot

2178
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:54,000
who witnessed these foo fighters and he

2179
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:56,639
tells his story which is pretty pretty

2180
01:22:02,709 --> 01:21:59,920
profound when he tried to report it okay

2181
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:02,719
um so all these things are are

2182
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:05,440
available on the website the phoenix

2183
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:07,600
lights network website

2184
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:11,040
it's packed with information to explore

2185
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:12,480
and to consider

2186
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:14,800
and again it's just there

2187
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:17,600
for the public to educate to raise their

2188
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,840
awareness and all these are the book and

2189
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:22,239
the documentary and the graphic novel

2190
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:25,199
and the website um so you can learn what

2191
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,199
really happened uh with the phoenix

2192
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:28,800
lights

2193
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,760
dr kitai thank you so much and guys

2194
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:33,199
everything we've talked about that has a

2195
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:34,719
link possible link whether it's the

2196
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,239
videos that we weren't able to show in

2197
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:38,400
the presentation will be linked below

2198
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,159
but more importantly the phoenix night

2199
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:42,159
the phoenix lights network website will

2200
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:43,840
be the top link and

2201
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:46,400
i cannot state this enough you must must

2202
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:48,080
go and take a look at it all through the

2203
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:48,880
news

2204
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,719
absolutely phenomenal the depth and

2205
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:54,719
detail in the work analysis and

2206
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,840
everything is

2207
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:58,080
incredible so please go and check that

2208
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:00,320
out but finally all i really need to do

2209
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:04,000
is say thank you so much dr kite that is

2210
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,760
an absolutely incredible presentation it

2211
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:08,000
was an honor to have you here and i

2212
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,440
think it was almost a blessing that the

2213
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:11,600
audio was wrong because no one wants to

2214
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,040
hear from me they just want to hear from

2215
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:15,360
you and it was fantastic so thank you so

2216
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:18,159
much oh i appreciate

2217
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,920
being here so much and having your

2218
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:22,080
audience um understand that there's a

2219
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,560
lot more to the story of of the phoenix

2220
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:26,159
lights and i always say and if you want

2221
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:27,360
to do the last

2222
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:30,480
last uh slide there i always tell people

2223
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,560
and it's a double entendre now you guys

2224
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,280
understand keep looking up

2225
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:37,120
so guys thank you so much for watching

2226
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:38,880
please join me again on the next one and

2227
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,520
like i said check those links below